The longer we wait, the larger the stain on the global consciousness.
Special guest Queen Rania of Jordan discusses the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the Israel-Hamas war in this exclusive one-on-one with The ReidOut on MSNBC. “What’s happening in Gaza today… is a war crime,” Queen Rania tells Joy Reid.
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Majesty, Queen Rania of Jordan. Your Majesty, thank you so much for being here.
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Thank you, Joyce. It's a pleasure to be here.
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This is a difficult time and circumstance to be talking with you. As of today, 34,000 people have been killed in Gaza.
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There is the real threat of mass starvation taking place.
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And as we know, you are not just the Queen of Jordan, you are also a Palestinian woman of Palestinian heritage.
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So I would just love for you to reflect for a moment on what's happening in Gaza as the Queen of Jordan, but also as a Palestinian woman as a mom.
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Well, you know, I think it's not just my background. I think for everyone in the Arab world, we have been quite devastated by what we've been seeing in the last 7 months.
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You know, as traumatic and devastating as the defense of up to a 7th have been, we can't justify the way that this war is being fought to.
0:56 - 1:03
You know, this is not a normal war. Every war is ugly, but this is humanitarian workers who have seen everything have said they've never seen anything like it.
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The collective punishment of people, the displacement of 1.7 million people from their homes, some people displaced more than once.
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The fact that a lot of those 35 million 35 thousand people killed 70% are women and children.
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And this this conflict just going to put perspective has killed more children in 5 months, then old conflicts in the world in the past 4 years.
1:32 - 1:39
So children have not been killed at the street than any other time in history and has had the highest covid since the genocide in Rwanda in 19 in 1984.
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And so and there is outrage and our world and around the world what we're seeing.
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But also there is outrage at the world well, it's at the see the fact that this is about to happen right for you.
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After October, 7th double world stood up and condemn those actions.
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But we're not seeing the same kind of reaction to us what's happening today.
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And we're seeing just people getting Israel violate international law and international humanitarian law without any consequence.
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And that is creating a sense of disillusionment and the Arab world and some solve, you know, how calm international is applied selectively.
2:17 - 2:25
Why our lives worthless dewey matter and in this world? And I think that this is reedy have chopping a paradigm shift in the way the reviewing our world order.
2:25 - 2:37
As terrible as what's happening in Gaza is I think this is the day that the way our world order is today.
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It's actually the thing specially wars.
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Let's talk about some of the reaction because you have you did see South Africa bring a case in the International Court of Justice at The Hague against Israel for its conduct of the war.
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We recently saw Prime Minister Netanyahu make a statement, a video statement expressing concern that the ICC also at The Hague may bring arrest warrants against him south and other members of his government over the conduct of the war.
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What is your reaction to that? Is that the kind of reaction that you feel is more appropriate to see just is known to have faith in it?
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Well, you know, this trail get to join efficient, get very upset when they hear the words genocide or apartheid. And they dismissed and say that on these are big words that people are throwing around. Now, the International Criminal Court of Justice is the highest court in the land.
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And they have deemed it plausible that Israel is committing acts of genocide against the Palestinians. And they have since issued a provisional orders, asking them to prevent acts of genocide and to provide 108.
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Now it might take years for them to come out with a final moving, but we cannot wait. People are being killed today. History is being written today.
3:48 - 3:58
We're already very late. And the longer we wait, the largest in our global consciousness.
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And the fact that, you know, but we're talking about semantics is a genocide is not the fact that even debating that shows should be sending shockwaves in our international community who wants to err on the side of a genocide.
4:05 - 4:11
And those who are attacking the ICJ meetings are actually belittling and dismissing the safeguards that we have in our world to ensure that nations adhere to certain standard of conduct.
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So, yes, you know, I think it's important the ICC take action that the ICJ take action.
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But we we don't want symbolic gestures at the end of the day.
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And we've seen a tone, a change of tone and language from the U.S. towards Israel trying to compel Israel to not go into effect, for example, or to allow more aid.
4:33 - 4:40
And but at the end of the day, officials in Israel has shown a reluctance to heed any advice or warnings are council from from eyes.
4:40 - 4:47
So we need this measures on the ground, you know, to actually say, you know, illegal settlements should be stopped.
4:47 - 4:54
To say that aid should go in, that we are not going to continue to provide offensive weapons that are tuning thousands of innocent eyes or the.
4:54 - 5:01
And the prevent the weapons that provide should be conditional. These actions are a very important.
5:01 - 5:08
And the fact that, you know, we're gonna play diplomatic pressure and stop using our veto to let Israel get away with things that other nations and don't don't get away with.
5:08 - 5:12
You know, it's a very dangerous precedent when and this is what people are very upset about it.
5:12 - 5:20
When international is broke, broken with no consequence when UN resolutions are ignored or dismissed, what does it mean?
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What does it mean when went into international human table is a lot of activity or when certain countries are punished for a poor human rights records?
5:27 - 5:35
Was Israel, which is accused of possibly committing genocide as you would with more arms, where is the fairness here?
5:35 - 5:48
And I think this is causing a lot of outrage. I think we need to just need to take a fresh look at the reality of Palestinians live under occupation for us to really try to find a reasonable and fair way forward.
5:48 - 5:56
Do you believe that Prime Minister Benjamin this, you know, as a war criminal? It doesn't matter what I believe.
5:56 - 6:05
I think what matters is what international says. So you get for the courts to just but I can say I'm no legal expert, but I can say is that what's happening in Gaza today is, you know, when you deprive people and you 10 jersey, the entrance of 8.
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When you adopt starvation as a weapon of war, that is collective punishment. That is a war crime.
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When you displace an entire population that is a war crime.
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When you use it when you chill in des des des criminal case, so many civilians.
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And the whole argument of human shields that's ringing hollow when you have a patch of land, a small as close out being one of the most densely populated places in the world.
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And use
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Majesty, Queen Rania of Jordan. Your Majesty, thank you so much for being here.
0:03 - 0:05
Thank you, Joyce. It's a pleasure to be here.
0:05 - 0:10
This is a difficult time and circumstance to be talking with you. As of today, 34,000 people have been killed in Gaza.
0:10 - 0:16
There is the real threat of mass starvation taking place.
0:16 - 0:25
And as we know, you are not just the Queen of Jordan, you are also a Palestinian woman of Palestinian heritage.
0:25 - 0:33
So I would just love for you to reflect for a moment on what's happening in Gaza as the Queen of Jordan, but also as a Palestinian woman as a mom.
0:33 - 0:44
Well, you know, I think it's not just my background. I think for everyone in the Arab world, we have been quite devastated by what we've been seeing in the last 7 months.
0:44 - 0:56
You know, as traumatic and devastating as the defense of up to a 7th have been, we can't justify the way that this war is being fought to.
0:56 - 1:03
You know, this is not a normal war. Every war is ugly, but this is humanitarian workers who have seen everything have said they've never seen anything like it.
1:03 - 1:15
The collective punishment of people, the displacement of 1.7 million people from their homes, some people displaced more than once.
1:15 - 1:25
The fact that a lot of those 35 million 35 thousand people killed 70% are women and children.
1:25 - 1:32
And this this conflict just going to put perspective has killed more children in 5 months, then old conflicts in the world in the past 4 years.
1:32 - 1:39
So children have not been killed at the street than any other time in history and has had the highest covid since the genocide in Rwanda in 19 in 1984.
1:39 - 1:49
And so and there is outrage and our world and around the world what we're seeing.
1:49 - 1:53
But also there is outrage at the world well, it's at the see the fact that this is about to happen right for you.
1:53 - 1:59
After October, 7th double world stood up and condemn those actions.
1:59 - 2:04
But we're not seeing the same kind of reaction to us what's happening today.
2:04 - 2:11
And we're seeing just people getting Israel violate international law and international humanitarian law without any consequence.
2:11 - 2:17
And that is creating a sense of disillusionment and the Arab world and some solve, you know, how calm international is applied selectively.
2:17 - 2:25
Why our lives worthless dewey matter and in this world? And I think that this is reedy have chopping a paradigm shift in the way the reviewing our world order.
2:25 - 2:37
As terrible as what's happening in Gaza is I think this is the day that the way our world order is today.
2:40 - 2:42
It's actually the thing specially wars.
2:42 - 2:45
Let's talk about some of the reaction because you have you did see South Africa bring a case in the International Court of Justice at The Hague against Israel for its conduct of the war.
2:45 - 2:52
We recently saw Prime Minister Netanyahu make a statement, a video statement expressing concern that the ICC also at The Hague may bring arrest warrants against him south and other members of his government over the conduct of the war.
2:52 - 2:56
What is your reaction to that? Is that the kind of reaction that you feel is more appropriate to see just is known to have faith in it?
2:56 - 3:21
Well, you know, this trail get to join efficient, get very upset when they hear the words genocide or apartheid. And they dismissed and say that on these are big words that people are throwing around. Now, the International Criminal Court of Justice is the highest court in the land.
3:21 - 3:36
And they have deemed it plausible that Israel is committing acts of genocide against the Palestinians. And they have since issued a provisional orders, asking them to prevent acts of genocide and to provide 108.
3:36 - 3:48
Now it might take years for them to come out with a final moving, but we cannot wait. People are being killed today. History is being written today.
3:48 - 3:58
We're already very late. And the longer we wait, the largest in our global consciousness.
3:58 - 4:05
And the fact that, you know, but we're talking about semantics is a genocide is not the fact that even debating that shows should be sending shockwaves in our international community who wants to err on the side of a genocide.
4:05 - 4:11
And those who are attacking the ICJ meetings are actually belittling and dismissing the safeguards that we have in our world to ensure that nations adhere to certain standard of conduct.
4:11 - 4:18
So, yes, you know, I think it's important the ICC take action that the ICJ take action.
4:18 - 4:25
But we we don't want symbolic gestures at the end of the day.
4:25 - 4:33
And we've seen a tone, a change of tone and language from the U.S. towards Israel trying to compel Israel to not go into effect, for example, or to allow more aid.
4:33 - 4:40
And but at the end of the day, officials in Israel has shown a reluctance to heed any advice or warnings are council from from eyes.
4:40 - 4:47
So we need this measures on the ground, you know, to actually say, you know, illegal settlements should be stopped.
4:47 - 4:54
To say that aid should go in, that we are not going to continue to provide offensive weapons that are tuning thousands of innocent eyes or the.
4:54 - 5:01
And the prevent the weapons that provide should be conditional. These actions are a very important.
5:01 - 5:08
And the fact that, you know, we're gonna play diplomatic pressure and stop using our veto to let Israel get away with things that other nations and don't don't get away with.
5:08 - 5:12
You know, it's a very dangerous precedent when and this is what people are very upset about it.
5:12 - 5:20
When international is broke, broken with no consequence when UN resolutions are ignored or dismissed, what does it mean?
5:20 - 5:27
What does it mean when went into international human table is a lot of activity or when certain countries are punished for a poor human rights records?
5:27 - 5:35
Was Israel, which is accused of possibly committing genocide as you would with more arms, where is the fairness here?
5:35 - 5:48
And I think this is causing a lot of outrage. I think we need to just need to take a fresh look at the reality of Palestinians live under occupation for us to really try to find a reasonable and fair way forward.
5:48 - 5:56
Do you believe that Prime Minister Benjamin this, you know, as a war criminal? It doesn't matter what I believe.
5:56 - 6:05
I think what matters is what international says. So you get for the courts to just but I can say I'm no legal expert, but I can say is that what's happening in Gaza today is, you know, when you deprive people and you 10 jersey, the entrance of 8.
6:05 - 6:12
When you adopt starvation as a weapon of war, that is collective punishment. That is a war crime.
6:12 - 6:19
When you displace an entire population that is a war crime.
6:19 - 6:24
When you use it when you chill in des des des criminal case, so many civilians.
6:24 - 6:30
And the whole argument of human shields that's ringing hollow when you have a patch of land, a small as close out being one of the most densely populated places in the world.
6:30 - 6:35
And use
