Col. Lawrence Wilkerson: The US Can’t Beat Russia Or China In A War
Retired U.S. Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson joins the MintCast director Mnar Adley to discuss the decline and possible fall of the U.S. empire. “It is clear to at least half the world, some four billion people, that the United States is not the power that it once was… Our reputation is in tatters in the world,” he said, laying out parallels between the fall of the Western Roman and Persian empires and today’s United States.
The U.S. military is a shadow of its former self and could not beat either Russia or China in a sustained war, Wilkerson says. If a war did break out, then it would likely escalate to nuclear Armageddon quickly.
Wilkerson and MintPress News’ Mnar Adley also discuss the big geopolitical hot topics of the day, including Iran, Israel and Gaza. The Israel lobby, Wilkerson claims, constitutes a national security threat. “Israel is the greatest and most dangerous foreign agent operating on US soil. There’s no question about that,” he said.
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it's no secret America is in Decline from crumbling Bridges to underfunded schools the country is slowly falling
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apart but on the world stage too the US is losing its once Invincible Aura from
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retreats in Afghanistan to embarrassing failures against Yemen Washington does not seem to hold the same power it once
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did and this past week's presidential debate was an embarrassment for the world's superpower yet even as it loses
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influence it is attempting to crush the of China and stimmy Russia risking
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nuclear war in the process now Washington is also supporting a very
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unpopular war in Gaza by backing aparte Israel in its genocide I have here today
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someone who sought Imperial US foreign policy firsthand from the inside
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Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired US army colonel who served as Chief of Staff to Secretary of State colen Powell in
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recent years however Wilkerson has become a strident critic of US foreign policy thank you so much for joining us
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today thank you for having me so let's start with a big question is the United States in Decline on the world stage and
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do you agree with my introduction actually I agree with just about every word of it I think it's clear to at
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least half the world now some four billion people if not more that the
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United States is not the power that it once was reputationally because of
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things like state sponsored torture and now state sponsored genocide um my
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reputation is in tatters in the world I had one legal scholar whom I worked with in Sicily many years ago on
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international criminal justice tell me Larry you no longer have a reputation
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you were not the stalwart supporter of international criminal justice international criminal law international
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law period you are an agent for chaos in the world those were his words um and
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when you talk about history and the history of empire in particular I've just finished reading for a second time
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Peter farin's uh book the Silk Roads which is a marvelous chronicling of all
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the empires or many of the empires throughout history the Persian the
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Eastern and Western Roman Empire and so forth and what you find in that history
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of course are examples of precisely what's happening to us today um the
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things that are occurring with us with modern accelerated rates if you will
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happened in the past to the Romans to the Persians to all manner of other people um it's just the nature of Empire
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that when you start declining you reinforce failure again and again and again it's a
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it's a weakness of military operations in particular but of diplomacy and
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foreign policy security policy in general that when you start losing you reinforce the loss look at Ukraine we
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are reinforcing what is clearly a defeat for NATO and for Washington and for
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London Washington's poodle in particular um and yet we're reinforcing we're
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sending billions of more dollars we're trying to steal Russia's money to send it to the
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ukrainians um and look at Gaza we reinforce there when we're losing there
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also we reinforced in Afghanistan for 20 years and in Iraq we lost there so one
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of the Great Signs of declining Empire is consistent and constant reinforcement
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of strategic failure and that's our major move in the world today is
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reinforcing our failures you run out of uh means to do this too as we're doing
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right now in the Red Sea I just read an article about Eisenhower the major US aircraft carrier in the Red Sea the
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troops have been there so long uh they've not been home they've not seen their families uh there's no sign of
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Eisenhower being relieved um the deployment is excessive to say the least
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and every day they get to see the houth shooting deadly missiles and flying deadly drones over their aircraft carer
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so it's not a it's not a great place to be at the same time you've been there way too long
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can you give us examples from within the military that indicates the US is indeed
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in Decline most dominant way right now that troubles me as a military officer a
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military professional is we cannot recruit people for our armed forces the
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Army the Air Force the Navy have all for two years now been thousands short of
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their recruiting goals the propensity to serve amongst American draft age people
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18 to 24 is down to 9% so there's no relief in sight the
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demographic behind that 18 to 24 demographic is 15% smaller than that
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demographic so that means you're not going to have young people in the future to recruit to the numbers that you need
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in the reserve components which are the heart of the military ability to mobilize and to go to war
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we're even shorter 30 to 33% short on recruiting goals in the reserve
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components so let's just put that in layman's terms if the United States were
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to go to war with Russia or China today we would lose badly we would lose badly
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we do not have the Mobil mobilization capability we do not have the people and
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we do not have the defense defense industrial base despite the protestations of Tony blinkin and Jake
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Solan that we do we don't uh Russia has a much more robust industrial base now
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and China has the best in the world um so if we went to war with either one of
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those Powers both of them together being the likelihood we'd lose so what would
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we do we'd turn to nuclear weapons and that is our fallback position we have
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about the same number of nuclear warheads as Russia so when we go into conventional struggle that we can't get
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out of and that we're losing we will go to nuclear weapons so we will for the second time in the history of nuclear
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weapons be the only power to first use nuclear weapons you've spent a lot of
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time in the halls of power in Washington it seems like US policy to weaken Russia
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China and Iran all at the same time has brought these nations actually much closer together and caused them to form
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a union have us attempts at destabilizing all three nations caused a geopolitical own goal for
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Washington yes that's a good way to put it I like the the soccer terminology the football terminology we have scored
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several own goals and the biggest one right now is as you indicated forcing
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these countries because I don't think it would have been it would not have come about as rapidly as it has it might
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eventually come about uh that there would be an alliance a formal alliance against us but it wouldn't have come
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about so rapidly if we hadn't made so many mistakes particularly in Ukraine and now in Gaza because we are building
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up a world of people who detest us because of our support of what the
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Israelis are doing in Gaza the genocide in Gaza Biden for example is probably
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losing 100,000 voters every week in this country and making his uh possibility
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for being elected Slimmer and Slimmer every day and Gau is the principal
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ingredient in that failure U but it's reputational all across the world now we
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have some 2.6 2.7 billion people under formal sanctions in the world that's the
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other thing we do to people besides bombing them and killing them we sanction them and the sanctions in many
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instances have backfired not only do they not punish the people we want to punish but punish the poor people in the
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country like Iran but they also backfire by as in Russia making Russia go to
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other places for its economic needs and now Russia's economy is banging on all
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eight cylinders and doing quite well thank you very much um and what we did
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was if you look at a graph if you look at the trade 10 years ago between Russia
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and the United States it's quite extensive but if you look at the graph today it's flipped over the top of the
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graph has become the bottom of the graph so the United States and Russia have almost no trade and the two main
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partners for the United States today replacing them are Mexico and Canada
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Russia has flipped it over for itself with China so they replaced us very
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swiftly and now they're looking to even replace the medium of exchange that they
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use within their system in other words Drive the dollar out use commodity based
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trading or use the Yuan the Remi or the Russian Rubble um and they've made plans
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to do this to trillions of US dollar equivalents across the Russia China
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border um this is this is a replacement of the Breton wood system that the United States spent so much time
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developing and exercising and using throughout the world post World War II
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the Swift banking system and so forth It's not going to be used anymore by at least half the world that's a true blow
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when that happens that means US debt astronomical as it is $35 trillion of
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aggregate debt a trillion dollar interest payment every year on that debt
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starting this next fiscal year that is going to go out of sight when we no
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longer can demarcate that debt in our deflated currency
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that's going to be the end of Empire the end of Empire well let's talk about the
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genocide in Gaza President Biden continues to draw red lines in the sand for Israel and Netanyahu keeps violating
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every single one of them yet Biden continues to wholeheartedly back Israeli
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actions in Gaza what do you make of this and why is the US so steadfastly supporting Israel I as myself that
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question many many times in the last six seven months um I thought I knew the answer to it I
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thought the answer was that there is so much money in the United States that
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belongs to Jewish billionaires who finance political campaigns they finance
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APAC they finance all the influence which is exhaustive it's in every state of the
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union that Israel has on the United States I I thought Mir shamer and uh
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Walt Steve Walt and John Mir shamer in their book The Israel law were right and
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that that's the real reason that we are so stuck with Israel but I've come to
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realized in the last six months that it's more than that it's much it's that of course it's huge hugely important
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that for example there is a a Handler a constituent Handler in every
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congressman's office every congresswoman's office Senator representative there's a representative
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of APAC who tells them what to do on anything that influences Israel so it is
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important it's more Israel's the greatest and most dangerous foreign agent operating on us soil no question
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about that but it's more visceral than that I've come to understand some of it
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has to do with heavy guilt felt for the Holocaust some of it has to do with an
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enormous attraction to Israel um and some of that is very very religious
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um the attraction is not one of affection it's one of necessity John
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hagg's group for example Christians United for Israel they think they believe that Israel is necessary for the
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Rapture to come for Armageddon to come and so they they they send millions of
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dollars to West Bank settlers for example because they think that will bring about Armageddon faster they think
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Israel is inte to Armageddon coming about and they think that if they help
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the West Bank settlers then that'll bring it about even quicker and they don't you know the Israelis just laugh
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at them because you know the prophecy is that when the Rapture occurs all the unbelievers will be killed well the
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Israelis are unbelievers so they'll be killed but they laugh at that because they don't believe in the Christian uh
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tradition they don't believe in Revelations and all that garbage um and so it's it's a strange hookup but
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you got all these Americans who are attracted to Israel for different reason
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and reasons and then you've got the billionaires who keep the Congress of the United States in the back pocket of
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Israel where else could you find a country and a country's leader so
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responsible for murder genocide invited to address the Congress
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of the United States I mean it's Preposterous that that's the case but it is the case well Netanyahu is rumored to
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be coming to Washington DC um at the end of July to address Congress um he's a
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war criminal who's under investigation for war crimes and openly committing genocide in Gaza tell me what you've
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heard about opposition and support for his address in DC well your opening
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comments there were interesting because as I understand it the German leadership has said were Netanyahu to come to
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Germany they turn him over to the IC so that's an incredible statement to make the Germans
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have an even deeper and more passionate hangover from the Holocaust as you might
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imagine than we do um but I think that should happen in this country too um I
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think he should be uh apprehended and turned over to the IC what's going to happen I hope is as I
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heard in New York City this past weekend people may get a movement together sort
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of like Martin Luther King's March on Washington if you will that's the way they were talking and bring hundreds of
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thousands if not millions of Americans to Washington and ring the Congress and
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refuse Netanyahu access to the Congress now they would be incapable of doing
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that if Congressional leaders and Congressional Capital police were intent
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on getting him in there because they're underground passages and such where only they have access and only they can use
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so they could bring him in but that would be one hell of a statement to make and it would make the Press of course
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even the uh poodle mainstream media which usually sings Washington's tune
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all the time New York Times Washington Post and all the cable television networks um but it would be a statement
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that would resonate all across the country if millions of Americans said BB
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stay away from our Congress uh I would support that I would march on the
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Congress if they would invite me there has been very strong worldwide
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condemnation of Israeli actions but the US keeps blocking any organized response to them in holding Israel accountable in
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bodies such as the United Nations giving Israel The Diplomatic cover it needs to continue this genocide is American
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support for Israel harming the US internationally and what are the consequences of such in enthusiastic
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support for this genocide absolutely the case um during
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my Administration we had a president who actually sanctioned at the top level
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presidential permission human torture that lost us probably somewhere between
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a billion and a billion and a half people in the world in terms of their views of
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our uh support for international law if you will our support for Gen
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the Geneva conventions our support for international humanitarian law all things that we had worked since World
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War II to build up and to support now this business with Gaza and
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our unqualified support for Israel and that's really what it is sending 2,000
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PB bombs so they can bomb hospitals and kill doctors and kill children kill
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patients and make their lives miserable um bomb food stations bomb
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Refugee tents that's taking another billion from us probably so you see the
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movement towards the bricks for example and you see India probably the most
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important aspirant country in the world right now not China India already
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outstripped China in population India has India is the most populous country in the world now but India has the
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capability both technology wise entrepreneurship wise Market
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economy-wise to match China in the next 10 to 15 years were India to move out of
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its more or less neutral phase right now and it's looking more and more every day like they might be thinking about this
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and move more into the orbit of the bricks in general they'll always have a problem with China because they're still
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fighting on their border and then were they to pull turkey in too and erdoan is
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talking about this already you would have Tak the southern flank of NATO and
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eviscerated it overnight turkey's Army is the most powerful land Army in NATO
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so you would take that away you would see NATO beginning to collapse right away um so you've got a a movement in
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the world right now that's looking more and more solid more and more adverse to
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the United States in its interest and more and more interested in getting away
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from everything the United States has stood for since World War II that's really not something the
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United States can stop and we're doing everything to deepen it and to make it
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more serious every day of the week um this is as we said at the opening this
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is the way Empire is in Decline act and we're we're sort of following the script
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as if it were a Hollywood movie I mean like you've insinuated Israel appears intent on expanding the attack on Gaza
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into a wider region role which it hopes that the US and NATO will help with what
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do you think the prospects are for this scenario Netanyahu is in real trouble
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politically and otherwise of course he's been in political trouble for a long time that's one reason he formed what he
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formed as a government and invited smotrich and Ben gavier and other uh
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Nazis into his administration uh but he's in trouble he's in big trouble because he's he's
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hoist upon his own patar it's burning the fuse is burning and he's got it in got it in his hand and it's composed of
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the war cabinet which now he's disbanded his government which he's going to quickly have to disband I think the
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could um and he's got this problem with his own uh personal situation whereby if
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this happens he's going to jail probably so you're right he wants now he's he's
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not defeated Hamas if anything Hamas has defeated him
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he wants to elongate and widen the war so that it as you intimated will pull
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the United States in and get him off of this untenable position he's put himself
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in and the most likely Prospect is asbah nzala head of Hezbollah does not
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follow Iran Iran's orders to the you know to the letter he's got his own
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strategy his own disposition his own desire to not caused Lebanon further
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destruction so I don't think he wants Hezbollah to be in a war with Israel
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they've exchanged a lot of fire and now we've got 70,000 Israelis who've had to move off the border and incidentally
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many of them are now voting by leaving Israel has lost a lot of people since
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this war started um interestingly many of them are going to Germany um so he
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will he will keep prodding hezbo he will keep attacking hezb he will keep bombing in Lebanon until he provokes a wi war
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and his hope here of course is that not only does the United States help him
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with taking out Hezbollah But ultimately going after Iran that's his Ardent dream
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is to get the United States to do Iran for him those those are those are his
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words in English the US will do Iran for me he's wanted that for a decade plus
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and now he thinks I I think that he's probably closer than that to that than
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he's ever been not only that the iaea has released
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information they still are looking fairly closely at Iran's nuclear
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program and they've released information that indicates Iran has enough enriched
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uranium now for at least three bombs they have not moved to make a bomb at
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least as far as we know but they have enough uranium to make three bombs now Netanyahu has quoted previously as
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saying if he ever found out they had enough uranium for one single bomb then he would attack but he knows he can't
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win if he attacks in fact he would probably be defeated so he wants us to
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do it for him um I've got news for him were we to do it we would probably be
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defeated too I don't think I've said this before
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I'll say it again am I said it two years ago I said it 18 months ago one year ago
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I don't think Israel will be a state in in the next 20 years I think Israel will
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disappear and I want to talk about that famous prediction of yours we've all heard you say it that Israel will not
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exist as a state within the decade what have you meant by that and do you stand by that prediction you will either have
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a state that becomes a true liberal democracy has a capital in
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Jerusalem and has inevitably biology will not allow otherwise and the right
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of return will not allow otherwise a a majority Arab population that will not
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be Israel that will not be a Jewish state it will be a liberal democracy in
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the region of Palestine and its capital will be Jerusalem and it might go from
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14 million to 25 million overnight as the the right of return is exercised maybe more Jews will come too
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I doubt it because they will not feel very secure initially at least if it's a
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successful liberal democracy then you might build the Jewish population back up too but it's what's its title going
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to be I don't know what its title is going to be Palestine Israel I don't care what its title is but it will be a
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true liberal democracy all its citizens will be welcome um that could happen if
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it's very unlikely but it could happen and the state would preserve itself not
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as Israel not as a Jewish State we were going to put a billboard we the Israeli Palestinian Confederation
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had spent $30,000 we were going to put a billboard up in Tel Aviv we were scheduled to go put it up right before
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October the 7th the billboard said a Jewish state is not good for
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Jews it was true it is not not good as many Israelis have said in the past from
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1948 forward if we are a Jewish State we will be killing people over and over and
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over again if you're a liberal democracy you're not a Jewish State it's
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impossible to be that so that's one way it could disappear the other way is
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through War um right now the IDF would never admit this but right now the IDF
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is losing it's losing to a ragtag bunch of Hamas and other Fighters scattered
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across the Levant some in Yemen some in Lebanon some of course in Gaza it's
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losing it's losing if you even look at the casualty rates that are being
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reported and they're off by a large margin both sides they're off but if you
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look at those rates they're nothing like they were in the past in the past you
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would kill 40 Palestinians for every Israeli or 400 Palestinians for every
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Israeli or 4,000 Palestinians for every Israeli that's not happening now it's
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not one for one but there are a lot of IDF soldiers dying and being wounded um
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so you know you could be defeated militarily um if you had Egypt pick up
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and suddenly find some courage if you had Jordan pick up and suddenly find some courage if you had other countries
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pick up and suddenly find some courage even Bashar Assad in Syria um Israel
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could go barly rapidly if Eran decided he was going to March down the narrow
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strip of land from Syria to Lebanon to Israel and destroy the idea he could do it in probably six
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weeks um Israel's future is very
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doubtful extremely doubtful and I say they won't be a state not the state of Israel not a Jewish state in 20 years
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maybe less maybe far less you know Israel has really exposed itself to be a
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paper tiger with all of its military defeats and you know Israel has really shot itself in the foot by uniting
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Muslims across the world um to support resistance in the Middle East against
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Israeli occupation and US imperialism what do you make of this I think you've got one that uh is pregnant if I may use
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that term for Action at any moment I think the theocracy in tran for example
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is working on bored time the women put the lie to that biocracy
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legitimacy in the last Revolt that Iran had um they are an illegitimate
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government now held up only by the rgc and you know the people surrounding that
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they're making tons of money off of the oil revenue and other things um there
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was a report about seven years ago it look took a look at one fiscal year in
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Iran and it took a look at the trillions of dollars that they made off their oil
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and gas assets and how much the irgc got of that it was incredible they got about
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a third of that money so you got all these people who are ripping off the
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Iranian people and the Iranian people know that and this last women's movement
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almost almost completely delegitimize the Iola and they're searching now and
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one of the reasons they're doing what they're doing in Yemen and elsewhere is because that's the only way they can get
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any legitimacy is by using the irgc to do things around the region um that's
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going to spread I think U Sissy's position in Cairo is as dicey as mabari
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was in the last year of his Reign there um it it's a question of which way is
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the Egyptian Military going to go and I hate to say this because I like kind of like the king and Jordan I like his wife
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even more but they are tyrants in their own way too and they're sitting on a
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powder keg of Palestinians also and they know that they outnumber um the as as
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the old King used to say they outnumber us the the Elites in the uh in the Arab
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capital of Aman so it's not looking look at Assad in Syria why are US forces in
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Syria right now do you have any idea why US forces are in Syria
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illegitimately there is no permission from anybody let alone Bashar al- Assad
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the legitimate recognized head of the government of isra of Syria he has not given us permission to
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be there the reason we're there is because we're protecting oil that's being pumped to Israel you heard me oil is being pumped
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out of Assad's country without his permission protected by our soldiers to Israel at a
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discounted price by the way oil is also going much to
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baghdad's ill will from Kurdistan which is what they're calling it the northern
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region of Iraq oil is going from their oil fields mostly around kuk to Israel
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at discount prices that's why he can do this war that's why he's got such a
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booming economy before the war because he's getting all this oil from places he
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shouldn't be getting the oil for from he was getting it from Sodom Hussein's UN oil for food program through Mark Rich
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who was a scandalous supporter of Israel and got put in jail for his black market
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activities and then Bill Clinton in an ignominious act pardoned him in the last
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hours of his second Administration this is how nanahu built up his power in
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Israel and this how he got the Jews to be on his side in Israel because the economy was booming it's still booming
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to a certain extent given the war going on but he's managing this war because he's getting oil from Syria and oil from
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Kurdistan um nobody knows that in America nobody's talks about that in
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America I bet you half the Pentagon doesn't know that but that's what what's
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happening um and when that goes away Israel goes away or its economy goes
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away that's for sure so give boser Assad back his country and give Baghdad back
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prerogatives over the northern portion of its country called Iraq and that goes away so it's a very ten tenuous
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situation for Netanyahu in particular but for Israel in general right now well you know some people may
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disagree with your assessment of Iran's theocracy not having organic local support especially considering many of
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the proom protests you were just referencing to were hijacked were infiltrated and even organized by
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Washington paid actors and the Western media here boosting the protest internationally in an exaggerated way
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based on our reporting here at MC press they have a very powerful apparatus in
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the Pentagon that runs disinformation campaigns better than the nkvd or the
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gru better than better than the CIA in our own country and those dis
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disinformation campaigns are used for just those sorts of things it was very much to their uh
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Advantage they thought to have people think that the real reason there was
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turmoil in Ron was productive of our activities otherwise they don't get
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billions of dollars from Congress to continue them you've mentioned Yen a few times so let's let's let's talk about
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Yemen what is your assessment of Yemen's resistance to us and Israeli colonialism
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I mean this is the poorest country in the Middle East that has endured Decades of war and yet this country has United
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for Palestine and enforced a very successful Red Sea blockade it's a strange ju position that
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they find themselves in going back a few years I was part of the effort in this
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country to use the War Powers resol ution in our Congress to get the United
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States out of Yemen to stop our support for soov Arabia and the United Arab
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Emirates and the others who were in The Coalition in the beginning from pursuing
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their War because using our intelligence using our fuel using our bombs and such
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um they were having uh they were having a field a killing innocent civilians I
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remember vividly when they hit one school bus I think it had 48 kids in it and the bomb that they hit it with was a
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Ron bomb made in the United States and we got in both houses of our Congress we
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got a bill passed we got it passed and headed for
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the president and he vetoed it Donald Trump vetoed it but since that moment of
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working with the Coalition of forces in Yemen in Saudi Arabia and in other
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places as well as the United States states to get the us out of that war I had reinforced for myself what I
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found out when I was training Yem soldiers way back um 1978
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1979 when they were coming to the Infantry school at Port Benning Georgia and I was training some of them and I
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remember vividly what they kept telling me over and over again and that was the North and the South in Yemen were some
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of the meanest meanest goat herders in the world that they were tough tough tough
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and they didn't take they didn't broke any opposition you may recall when they had the Civil well civil war going on
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almost the entire time but the north fighting the South the South fighting a north and different governments in
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different places um so you let them loose with this war that was pursued
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ruthlessly against them by the Saudis and the Emirates the emirat emiratis got out of it after a while because they saw
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it was turning bad for them um you let that happen for as long as it has and
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you have built up a core of really tough tough
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Fighters and all of a sudden you give them gossip and they become the only other
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entity really other than Hamas that's truly effectively fighting what they
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feel are the supporters of Israel in Gaza um I love the way they
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they dis differentiate the ships that they go after in the Red Sea because they don't want to go after someone
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who's not supporting that conflict they're going after the ships of the people who are supporting that conflict
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sometimes it's hard to discriminate but these are clever people um and they are brave people very brave people I would
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not want to be on the other end of fighting the the people in Yemen the Saudis have found that out and the
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amirati found that out the little Sparta they call themselves in the UAE well they're not Sparta anymore or um they
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got kind of handed their rear ends in Yemen um so um it's not surprising to me that
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they're recalcitrant and they're fighting back and that they are amongst the only ones who
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are tough people in other words Colonel workers saying you were in the thick of
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the action during the Bush Administration in the leadup to the US invasion to Iraq talk to me about who
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the bush era cated EES were um or the most dangerous people you encountered
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dur your time during your time there and are they still here today pushing for war absolutely the neoconservatives are
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still with us before I go more into that let me just something I forgot to say
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with regard to Yemen right now Al-Qaeda and Yemen is
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the most vibrant terrorist organization once again on the planet even more so so
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than uh Isis K although I saw today a report where Isis K is planning on
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attacking inside the United States reminded me of you know 2001 when George
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tenant's hair was on fire and we were going to have an attack in the United States but al-Qaeda in Yemen has
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increased its recruits increased its training and is now looking
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out so watch out Empire watch out Europe watch out United States and these people
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are part of the reason this is happening these neoconservatives there are people like Victoria nulan like John Bolton
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there's a host of them some of them are Jewish Americans many of them are Jewish Americans Jewish Americans who had
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responsibility for the war with Iraq in 2003 like Doug FEI under secretary of
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defense for policy they're still with us and they're still pushing an agenda of
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America must kill everyone in the world who opposes it that's their bottom line
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agenda we must bomb or bayonet or rocket every little country every Big Country
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every medium country that opposes Us in the world diplomacy won't work we have
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to go after them with our military and our sanctions that's their philosophy that's the way they operate and they're
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still with us and they're still influencing Joe Biden's Administration you get rid of Victoria
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nulan and three more appear well they say a tiger is most dangerous when it is
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wounded does US Imperial decline make it more dangerous to other states are they
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more likely to lash out or try some military hail Mele Mary to survive
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absolutely and I'll quote to you the former leader of the National Assembly
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in Cuba Ricardo aleron who said to me one day
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Larry even a dying elephant can thrash a lot of grass and he's right we are a
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dying elephant and as we die we will thrash a lot of grass I'm afraid very
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much afraid now that Putin has made over tours to Cuba that it may be coming home
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to Cuba again that we may wind up thrashing a lot of grass in Cuba you may
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have heard the president of Cuba and the foreign minister of Cuba recently saying Mr Biden do you want another Haiti do
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you want another Haiti this was after our CIA helped stir up the mess in Santiago to Kuba which was genuine
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protests genuine protests over electricity water food because Cuba is
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really a basket case now because of our blockade and because Venezuela had to
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stop sending heavy fuel oil and they they are really having problems and they
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had some genuine protests and what we did was Stir them up so here's the the president saying to Biden do you want
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another Haiti that's what you're going to get and now we have Admiral gorchov a frigate Russian in Port Havana we have a
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Russian nuclear submarine in Port Havana so a little bit of if you can do it I
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can do it too Putin to Biden um yeah it's a I'm I'm worry about Cuba because
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they are having genuine problems and they're only 90 miles away so a dying elephant you know presents a lot of
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problems for them I mean do you worry that the US could seriously be contemplating a war
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with Russia and China it seems clear that the US's main goal right now is to
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slow down or stop the rise of or stop the economic rise of China at least and
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a conflict sooner than later would be better for the US what do you think about that yeah I think the strategy
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that Jen stoltenberg bought the Secretary General of NATO and that by
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that buy in NATO bought that Washington pushed on them was look guys and gals
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we're going to we're going to use Ukraine to bleed Russia it'll take about
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six months to a year we're going to bleed Russia down and then we're all going to go after China NATO and
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Washington we going to go after China that was a strategy I think that's been
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severely hampered now because they are not bleeding Russia they keep saying they are but they're not Russia's
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economy is going bang bang bang and this appointment of an economist to be the
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new defense minister for Russia was a a very smart move because now what Putin
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is doing is he's using the industrial base that he's revived and made Fairly
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powerful to go even further maybe from 6% of GDP to eight or
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9% of GDP P applied so he can fight NATO so their idea that they were going to
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weaken Russia and then go get China is totally totally gone now uh if it's not
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they're stupider than I think um so what are they going to do now they're going to have to sort of slide off Ukraine
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after the elections and concentrate on China what's keeping them from sliding
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off Ukraine right now and doing China is Gaza which is weakened Us in particular
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majorly because we've used so much of our armaments to rearm Israel each time
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it goes through a bunch of Munitions um so I don't know where the strategy is now I know that they're
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staying with Ukraine so Joe can get reelected and I suspect after the election we'll see a different approach
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to Ukraine but then the ultimate aim is to go after China um and I don't know
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what that means means except loss and that loss Will present us with one
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choice when China sinks three or four aircraft carriers when China beats Us in
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the South China Sea when China takes Taiwan by force I don't think they're going to do that but if we force them to
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they might then we'll go nuclear and then the world loses the
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world loses badly every former government official
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turn you know government critic uh has been sounding the alarm about nuclear
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war that we are closer to nuclear Armageddon than ever before and it's really terrifying tell me more about
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this well I I still work with some people who are what I would call nuclear
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weapons experts and nuclear war experts from the old Cold War Days um they're in
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my age group now but they think we're closer to an exchange than we've been since 19 1949 when the Soviets exploded
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their first bomb they think we're closer than we were in Berlin in that hot summer of
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1961 when they built the wall and closer than we were in October 62 with Cuba and
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the Cuba Missile Crisis well thank you so much colon Wilkerson we hope to have you on again soon thank you for having