'Iran Will Definitely Retaliate Against Israel, It’s Inevitable & Necessary; Iran's Wrath is Real'
14 Aug 2024
'Iran Will Definitely Retaliate Against Israel, It’s Inevitable & Necessary; Iran's Wrath is Real': Prof. Md. Marandi, former Advisor to the Iranian Nuclear Negotiation Team, to Karan Thapar for The Wire.
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A former Senior Advisor to Iran’s Nuclear Negotiation Team, who has worked closely with the new Foreign Minister of the country, says: “Iran will definitely retaliate – it’s inevitable and necessary”. Prof. Mohammad Marandi adds that: “The wrath of Iran is very much real”. He says without responding Iran won’t be safe. Prof. Marandi says: “The Israeli regime is a rogue regime”, which the West supports regardless of this fact and regardless of what Israel has done to the Palestinian people.
In a 35-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, Prof. Mohammad Marandi, who is also a Professor of English Literature and Orientalism at the University of Tehran, is questioned at length about the nature and character of the response Iran could carry out as well as the costs to Tehran of doing so.
The first big issue is does Tehran face a dilemma? On the one hand, President Pezeshkian has said Iran “will definitely receive a response for its crimes and insolence”. On the other hand, he has also said that Tehran does not wish to broaden the war and contribute to a bigger crisis. But is such a perfect response possible or is there a huge danger that the response will do precisely what the President is hoping it won’t i.e. broaden the war and create a bigger crisis?
Second, widening the war and escalating the crisis is exactly what Benjamin Netanyahu wants. It will also goad Washington into joining Israel in an attack on Iran. On the other hand, not retaliating effectively would damage Iran’s credibility and affect the President’s internal standing vis-à-vis hardliners in the Iranian regime. How will he resolve this dilemma?
There are also costs to any Iran retaliation. First, will it scupper the possibility of détente with the West and the President’s hopes of securing sanctions relief? Secondly, will it scupper prospects of a Hamas-Israel peace and the freeing of Palestinian prisoners, something the Palestinian people, who Iran supports, are aching for?
There is also one further question: can the retaliation actually deter any response or further future action by Israel? The April response by Iran, when Israel killed Iranian Generals in the Iranian Consulate in Syria, neither prevented an immediate Israeli response nor the killing of Haniyeh. What are the chances a response now will be any different?
These are the issues that are raised in this interview. I am deliberately not giving you Prof. Marandi’s answers. He is an extremely articulate person. He is also thoughtful and detailed in his response. You will understand Iran’s thinking by watching this interview. In many ways, Prof. Marandi is riveting and compelling viewing.
I am, therefore, leaving you to hear his answers for yourself.
Transcript
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Iran will definitely retaliate and uh it
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feels obliged to bring about deterrence we have to remember that the Israeli
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regime is a rogue regime and has the full support of the West even when it
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carries out genocide and uh as it carries out this
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genocide this Gaza Holocaust it is being funded it is being armed ammunition is
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being provided on a daily basis literally so uh it shows that the West
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uh will support the regime regard no matter what it does regardless of what it
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does uh the world has turned against the Israeli regime across the global T people despise the regime and the the
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regime right now is waiting for 2 weeks in fear about what Iran is going to do
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so the wrath of Iran is very much
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[Music]
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[Music] real hello and welcome to a special
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interview for the wire has Iran's promise to retaliate against Israel for
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the killing of is H created a dilemma that could be difficult for Tan to
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resolve that's the key issue I should raise today with professor of English literature and orientalism at the
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University of Teran and a former adviser to the Iranian nuclear negotiation team
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Professor Muhammad Mandi who joins us from thean Professor Mandi according to
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the BBC a week ago the Iranian acting foreign minister said your country would
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respond at the right time and in the appropriate manner to the killing of isal Han but now with peace talks
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facilitated by Qatar Egypt and the United States perhaps starting as early as tomorrow Thursday and after the
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British prime minister spoke to your president advising restraint will there be an Iranian retaliation for the
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killing of Han Al jazer and today reuter suggest thean could be rethinking so can
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you start by telling me where do things
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stand Iran will definitely retaliate and uh it feels obliged to bring about
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deterrence we have to remember that the Israeli regime is a rogue regime and has
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the full support of the West even when it carries out
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genocide and uh as it carries out this genocide this Gaza Holocaust it is being
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funded it is being armed ammunition is being provided on a daily basis
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literally so uh it shows that the West uh will support the regime regard no
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matter what it does regardless of what it does and therefore uh Iran has to
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protect itself and so do countries of the region so do people of the region because the West is obviously going to
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allow uh the Israelis to do whatever they want uh if you go back to
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April and uh recall after the Israeli regime bombed
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the Iranian Consulate in Damascus uh and killed 12 people the
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Iranians took the case to the UN Security Council but what happened there
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the United States the French the British and the Germans they all
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opposed uh condemning the the Israelis the Israeli regime so the Israeli regime
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bombed an Iranian Embassy killing 12 people and the West refused to allow the
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UN Security Council to pass a resolution simply condemning this
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act the Iranians back then they launched a direct attack it was the first direct
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attack from IR uh from Iran and it was in response to this attack against Iran
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thean sovereignty and this act of murder the Iranian response was very
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carefully constructed so that the International Community will see that Israeli the
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focus will remain on the Israeli regime because of its genocide and also Iran
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wanted to show its International Partners including India that uh we are
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not seeking a regional War which would crush the global economy the Israeli regime of course
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spent a billion $1.4 billion doar trying to bring down a bunch of very cheap
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drones and the Americans spent over over two and a half billion dollars doing the
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same and Iran used a handful of more advanced weapons that got through the
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defense system and H struck their targets after that deterrence was established and Iran felt no need to
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strike Israeli regime again but uh then
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more recently the the regime carried out an assassination uh attack in
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tan they struck a building an official guest house where foreign leaders stay
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Indian leaders stay in that building uh they uh murdered a high
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ranking Palestinian official the chief negotiator for the Palestinians and uh they in they
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insulted uh the Iranian honor because he was a guest of Iran and they violated
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Iranian sovereignty so the retaliation will definitely be coming but Iran has
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many calculations uh in its response and the timing of its resp response that I come
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I come to the character and nature of the retaliation in a moment's time but just to confirm you're saying that
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reports in organizations like Al jazer and Reuters that Iran may be rethinking
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because it doesn't want to Scupper the peace talks that are starting allegedly tomorrow those reports are inaccurate
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and untrue as you said Iran will definitely retaliate yes Iran will definitely
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retaliate and just so that your viewers
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would have a better understanding in general and this is true for Reuters in
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particular but also to almost all Western media Outlets
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whenever they say that a whenever they give an say an unnamed Iranian
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official they are usually fabricating if not always fabri
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fabricating no no Reuters has absolutely no access to people in the know about uh
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what Iran's decisions are at that level I take your point Professor Mandi if I
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recall correctly both those reports the AL jazer report as well as the reuter's report was sourced to unnamed Iranian
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officials let's then at this point come to the character of the retaliation whenever it happens president president
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pesan has made it clear that Iran does not want to broaden the war it does not
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want to contribute to a bigger crisis but at the same time and I think I'm quoting him now he said Israel will
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definitely receive a response for its crimes and its insolence how can you be
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certain your response won't broaden the war and contribute to bigger crisis how
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can you be certain the one thing your President says he does not want to do is perhaps the one thing that will happen
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when you retaliate well obviously the point that
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he makes is that the Iranians from their part are being responsible and we have
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to keep in mind that the Iranians did not carry out this attack nor did the
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Iranians carry out an attack in April uh
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it was on both occas on both occasions it was the Israeli regime an Iranian
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response is inevitable and necessarily necessary simply because we know that if
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Iran does not respond the Israeli regime will do it again if you think that Iran
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is not if Iran by not responding Iran will be safe you're mistaken without a
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doubt the Israelis will see this as a sign of Iranian weakness and they will carry out another attack probably more
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deadly in two three months five months one month in the near future Netanyahu
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does that sort of thing his people do that sort of thing the regime does that sort of thing remember I have to I have
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to always uh keep in mind myself that the Israeli regime is slaughtering women
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and children day and night they are raping men in prison and no one goes to
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jail for it so it is not a big leap from
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genocide against Palestinians with full Western support to the bombing of tan or the
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assassination of an Iranian leader or the murder of a high ranking Iranian official or the bombing of a Iranian
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insulation therefore Iran's response will definitely come uh but again the
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Iranians Will C the Iranians will carry out their response in a way where the Israeli regime regrets what it does but
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it will leave room for the United States to be able to yank on the leash yank
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hard on the leash of Netanyahu have no doubt that if the United States
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wanted if the regime in Washington wanted the genocide to end it would end
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today let's come back to the of and if the United States wants to prevent the
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widening of a war they could do that today they don't so far they have not
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shown the will because of the the the those who have great influence in Washington the
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Zionist Lobby uh which compris is comprised of Christian Zionist Jewish
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Zionist I take your point I take your point Professor mirandi but let's focus for a moment specifically on the
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character of the retaliation that Iran has in mind many people believe Iran
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faces a dilemma widening the war and escalating the crisis is exact L what
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Nathan yahu wants it would also as you know better than me go Washington into
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joining Israel in an attack on Iran on the other hand not retaliating
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effectively would damage Iran's credibility and it would also affect the president's internal standing Visa
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hardliners within the regime inan so how does he resolve this dilemma he has to
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find the most just response but that could be fluke and you can miss a fluke
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very easily well I don't consider Iran to be
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uh a regime uh president Pan's Administration has a
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responsibility towards the Iranian people and this is not an issue that
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divides ordinary Iranians this is an issue of sovereignty and National
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Security and Iranians overwhelmingly feel that need to be protected and they
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also feel the need for their honor and dignity to be
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respected and we saw that when is Han was murdered by the Israeli regime that
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he was uh in on the streets of tan millions
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of people participated in his funeral so he was widely respected in the country
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but you're confident that you can find the sort of response that would be both
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serious and severe and one that Israel will not forget but at the same time
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will not exacerbate the situation and widen the conflict and create a bigger problem you're confident you can
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actually hit that right Noe because as I said most people believe it's close to impossible to
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do well that again would be the problem uh that the United States has to resolve
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the ball is in their Court as they say uh Iran is not responsible for this
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situation and Iran must make sure that the regime does not do this again in
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April Iran carried out uh an a strike as an active deterrence and we saw that
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that deterrence only lasted two or three months so if Iran does not carry out a
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strong and robust Act of deterrence then we will have this happen again and then the crisis will get larger if the
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regime with your permission Professor you in a sense have made my point for me
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the retaliation that you undertook in April when you possibly fired hundreds
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of drones and missiles on Israel did very little damage because most of those
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were shot down it didn't stop an IT Israeli response almost 10 12 days later
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and it didn't stop the killing of Han so what does this retaliation achieve it didn't achieve very much in April and if
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you do another retaliation now it's likely not to achieve very much again but you run the risk of exacerbating the
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problem so if you look at it in cost benefit terms it's a huge risk with very
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little result no I think that your assessment of April is uh is
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inaccurate uh as I pointed out earlier the Israeli regime spent uh almost 1.4
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billion doar on bringing down those very inexpensive drones that for Iran costed
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nothing and uh the Americans spent uh roughly $2 and A5 billion dollars in all
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about4 billion dollar were spent by this broad Coalition of Western countries to
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bring down those drones and uh and old missiles but as I pointed out earlier
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the more developed missiles every single one of them got through the def the
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us-led defense Shield the ones that were supposed to go through got through one
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hit a an air base in the South the air base that was used to strike the Iranian
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Embassy but also to bomb uh gazen women and children and the other was uh
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targeted uh the other uh base that was targeted was on
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the Syrian occupied Golan Heights or on the border of the Golan the Syrian Golan
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and it also struck its uh Target and caus I take your point handful of
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actually just one excuse me let me let me uh finish just one moment but
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actually the the point that I'm making re reconfirms uh the notion that despite
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the effectiveness and I should add that that strike had another intention as well not just to draw it was also to
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draw this fire so that Iran could learn about American Israeli and uh other
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capabilities that were used for future purposes like this I I I take your point
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Professor Mandi a handful of missiles but only a very small handful did get through and did meet some Target but the
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real cost as you said in your answer was a financial cost and whether it's 2
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billion or 4 billion or six that is not a price that either Israel or America
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consider expensive to pay they' be Happ so basically although I I would disagree
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because it is an it was also as I said an intelligence gathering operation and surfaced air missiles are very expensive
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and difficult to produce uh but it you also uh confirm my point that in in
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order therefore to create real permanent deterrents so that the Israeli regime
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does not dare to strike Iran again then Iran's response has to be even more
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robust okay and if Iran does not carry out a strike against the Israeli regime
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that will be inviting the regime to carry out another attack because from as
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as you say Netanyahu and his people uh they want to expand the War uh therefore
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if Iran does not carry out a response then Netanyahu will carry out another
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atrocity in order to expand the war the point is that deterrence is necessary
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but the leash is being held by people in the west let's let's let's move a point
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beyond what we're talking about at the moment we're actually arguing over whether deterrence whether it's
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necessary or not actually works and whether it's efficacious you're saying it is I'm saying it's questionable or
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maybe it's ifications at all but let me come to the question of the cost attached to Iran's retaliation if it
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happens cuz there are other significant concerns that I imagine your president and government will bear in mind an
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Iranian retaliation would rule out the possibility of Theon with the west and
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your president's hopes of securing sanctions relief in your eyes how much
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of a concern would that be it's well known that he'd like to open pathways to
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the West it's well known that he'd like to bring the sanctions to an end or at least have them substantially reduced
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but an effective retaliation by Iran would Scupper that I think anyone who has read uh
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president pezes kean's open letter that was printed in tan
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times uh after he was elected when he was president-elect would see that his
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foreign policy is very similar to the foreign policy of the late president
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REI uh his priority will be developing with it will be in developing ties with
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countries that have remained friendly with Iran during the maximum pressure
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sanctions with it will be prioritizing expanding cooperation with
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bricks the Shanghai cooperation organization uh with the global South in
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general Asian integration uh expanding ties with neighboring
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countries and Iran is willing to engage with the West to move towards RMA of
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some sort as under the circumstances under circumstances where the West
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changes its Behavior towards Iran okay he is he is not a naive person and
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actually the uh foreign minister that he has chosen uh he has spoken in Parliament
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because there's a vote of confidence in the coming days uh Dr adoki has spoken in Parliament basically re reaffirming
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the same so Iran's is also known to be if this is
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the correct description much more pro-western than any of our previous foreign ministers he would be very
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concerned if an Iranian retaliation against Israel were to undermine or
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Scupper no that's a a completely inaccurate uh
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description of Dr Ari and Dr adoi is by no means Pro West uh I I think that that
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is wishful thinking on behalf of certain Western analysts Dr ad has been very uh
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clear about his uh position and he uh
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reaffirms the position taken by the president which as I said is almost identical to what did not Dr
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aroi play a critical if not leading part in the nuclear negotiations that led to
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an agreement with the Obama regime and that's something you would know because you were advisor to that team at the
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time that is why people believe that that not so based on your based on your
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logic since I was as you know uh Affiliated to the nuclear negotiating
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team at that time in 2015 that would make me therefore Pro Western
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as well no that does not make him just because he carried out negotiations that does not make him Pro anything or anti-
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anything that makes him a negotiator his views have been expressed clearly in
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Parliament and elsewhere and uh there is a general skepticism in Iran towards the
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West because the West has violated its agreements with Iran at every
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opportunity and the nuclear deal is a major example but it's not the only
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example let me excuse me let me let me let me continue excuse me when the uh
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United States uh needed help from Iran to free its hostages in Lebanon this was
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before Hezbollah was came into existence uh the Iranians uh aided the Americans
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and helped get them free and at a significant political cost
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and uh because different groups were holding these Americans and uh what did and the Americans made promises to Iran
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they violated every single one they ignored them all when the Iranians cooperated over those who killed uh
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people in New York during 9/11 uh immediately uh in in return the
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Americans called Iran an Access of Evil in the 1990s when uh we're going back
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into history do well that is all of that is all of that is relevant to the Iranian world has changed
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signicantly since then it's a different today the world no it is a different world American
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mentality the the mentality of the political establishment of the United States has not changed the most recent
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example is actually the nuclear deal the United States the day that it signed the
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nuclear deal it began violating it let me put it like this let me put and it and excuse me and it refrain from
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implementing the nuclear deal and ultimately we're not talking about the
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nuclear deal we're talking about the cost of retaliation against Israel we are we are we are also speaking most
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importantly about The credibility and the trustworthiness of the United
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States but let's not get deflected let's not get deflected no I think if your viewers
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want to have a real understanding of the situation there's no escape from the
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fact that the United States betrayed Iran at every turn and therefore our
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political establishment including senior officials in the foreign Ministry are under no Illusions about what the United
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States would do and they are under no illusions that Europe will not stray
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from the United States regardless of what it does so there I accept your point because I accept the point you're
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making let me ask you a followup question to the argument you just presented Downing Street has confirmed
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that on Monday the British prime minister s stama spoke to president
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pesan and urged Iran to refrain from an attack on Israel in the days preceding
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and succeeding the conversation with stama the French President the German Chancellor and indeed the Biden
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Administration have all appealed in one way or another to Iran not to carry out a retaliatory strike how much weight
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does the new government how much weight does the new president place on such
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appeals from the West I think I responded to that before
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I think uh the problem is in the very fact that none of these leaders have
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condemned the Israeli regime for bombing uh embassies none of them have of course
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complained about the genocide which is uh extraord ordinary this is not Nazi
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Germany uh this is uh the 21st century uh but uh but also none of them have
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said anything or condemned Israelis or sanctioned the Israelis for the strike
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on Iran on tan so I think all of these
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uh contacts with Iran reconfirm in a sense the fact that they are fully on
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side with the the Israeli regime imagine uh India with a neighbor that can do
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whatever it wants uh to India it can strike India whenever it wants it can
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bomb India it can assassinate it can do anything that it wants and it can slaughter people uh in in the country at
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will in its own in in in the land that it occupies it at will and the Americans
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or whoever the Chinese the Iranians the Russians call on India not to respond
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whereas you're being bombed whereas your embassies are being attacked is is India going to remain silent no country that
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has uh a a sense of self-respect and self-worth and the respects and and
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whose people expect a certain amount of uh
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respect allow that pass in all fairness in 2008 when over 160 Indian and foreign
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tourists and civilians were killed in Bombay by terrorists who'd come across the border from Pakistan India did not
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retaliate India chose instead to handle the matter politically so just to
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respond to that specific point you're making not every Act of Terror necessarily requires kinetic retaliation
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but let me put I I think I think there is a very sharp difference between the two uh one is that India has
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uh attacked its neighboring countries on different occasions second that uh
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attack was not uh endorsed openly and officially by uh a a foreign State
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Pakistan on the one hand has uh huge problems uh on its own borders and in in
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its own territory as you and I both know and of course this is something that we have to thank the Americans for with the
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creation of Al-Qaeda which ultimately led to the creation of Isis and the
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destabilization of Pakistan and Afghanistan thanks to the Americans but
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uh what the Israelis did is that they used f35s to bomb the Iranian Embassy in
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April and I'm talking of aced or acknowledged as being done by
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them no the Israelis in fact immediately afterwards a senior official or the
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Israel uh indirectly pointed out that that was their strike it is acknowledged that it
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was the Israelis and the Iranian intelligence knows that the Israel very a very Advanced missile to
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strike that building from the hills above tan let me put another concern to
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you which could be a second cost if Iran were to go ahead with serious severe
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retaliation it would completely Scupper prospects of a Hamas Israel peace and
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more importantly to the freeing of Palestinian prisoners and the Palestinian people not Hamas but the
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Palestinian people are aching for their prisoners in Israeli jails to be
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released you referred to how male Palestinian prisoners are being raped clearly the Palestinians want their
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people back they want that release but were Iran to retaliate seriously and
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severely that would never happen also or it would be postponed indefinitely is
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that a cost you're prepared to pay I think there's a paradox uh here that on
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the one hand uh you're saying that uh the Israeli regime you're acknowledging
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that the Israeli regime is a brutal and barbaric regime that rapes and murders
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and therefore in order to stop the rape and murder you must allow the regime to
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get away with other crimes and also you're saying that uh the as you said
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earlier that Netanyahu wants to expand the war So based on that assumption that
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Netanyahu wants to expand the war then a he has no intention of stopping attacks
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on Iran and B he has no intention of stopping the Holocaust in Gaza Netanyahu
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for the last 10 months has been continuing this Holocaust despite the
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fact that they there was an agreement put forward by the Americans and the Americans claimed that Netanyahu
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supported it but we've seen this go this this catastrophe this this outrage going
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on for 10 months without any respite so I don't think it's uh at all
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uh any uh it's there's any Link at all between Iranian silence and a lack of
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response and suddenly uh Netanyahu accepting uh a ceasefire you know as
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well as I that if net this war comes to an end netanyahu's government will fall
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and Netanyahu will go to jail for corruption charges that uh he's been
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trying to escape for many years
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Professor mirandi we're coming to the end of this interview let me ask you three quick short questions before I
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thank you for having spoken to me first of all the United States has publicly
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said they believe Iran's retaliation will perhaps happen this week itself and
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to prepare for it they've sent the USS Georgia a guided missile submarine as
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well as the US Abraham Lincoln and aircraft carrier into the Middle East
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two quick questions about that do you believe a retaliation is likely this week itself and how do you and how does
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your government view the sending of American ships submarines and aircraft
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carriers well I think the one of the very smart things that the Iranians have done is that they've kept uh very uh
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they they've kept their cards very close and no one knows when they're going to strike and they've been carrying out two
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weeks of um psychological warfare against Israeli regime and causing huge damage to the Israeli economy already
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the Iranians expected the Americans to mobilize to help the Israelis because the Americans are fully supportive of
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the Holocaust in Gaza we have no expectations but uh when Iran strikes
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I'm sure that the Americans will do what they can to protect the Israelis but of course when when the Israelis bomb Gaza
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the Americans will do nothing to protect the Palestinians in fact they will arm the Israelis to do more of the same
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finally did the Han killing embarrass Iran this is a very different question
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to any of the ones I've asked you earlier did the killing of Han in an official government state guest house
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where official heads of government are put up by the Iranian government bang in the center of the capital embarrass Iran
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both because it exposed weaknesses in its security and also because it exposed
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Iran's inability or maybe I should say failure to protect an honored
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guest I think if we recall just a couple of weeks before this assassination uh
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Trump was almost killed in the United States now whether it was a lone shooter
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or what probably was a network of people who wanted to kill the US uh uh
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presidential candidate and former president that's beyond the issue the point is that uh these people had no
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foreign support the Israeli regime in carrying out any attack in Iran uses
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extensive uh networks of uh intelligence that the Americans provide to them the
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five eyes uh us intelligence agencies and unfort fortunately even Western
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embassies in tan so there is a and also in in neighboring countries as well the
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United States uses neighboring countries to gather intelligence on Iran so basically uh the Israelis have uh a huge
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amount of support otherwise the the this is a very feeble and vulnerable regime we we're seeing it today in Gaza but
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you're not my question I I have I told you it is an intelligence failure but it
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is not something extraordinary the United States has had something far worse the president isn't it more than
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an intelligence failure isn't it an embarrassing outcome when an honored guest in a government Guest House bang
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in the center of the capital where you put up other heads of government when they come visiting is killed no I think
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what is embarrassing and what is shameful is for anyone to accept that a
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regime like isra the Israeli regime would actually carry out such an outrage
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and a building where Indian government officials frequent and murder people
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inside that building no one expects a a a so-called state or a foreign regime to
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carry out such an operation but of course Iran is a fighting a war with a
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coalition of intelligence organizations and Iran has been on its own in the past
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but the tide is turning the world has turned against the Israeli regime across the global t people despise the regime
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and the dis the regime right now is waiting for two weeks in fear about what
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Iran is going to do so the wrath of Iran is very much real and uh the only one
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who should be ashamed are those people in Washington who support the this Rogue regime that
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carries out such atrocities Professor marandi thank you very much for the time you've given me thank you for your fome
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comprehensive answers I'm extremely grateful take care stay safe thank you
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