"This is biological warfare!"
Dr Mustafa Barghouti describes the situation in Gaza as the “worst ever made-made humanitarian disaster”. He exposes the systematic and deliberate healthcare catastrophe inflicted by Israel on Gaza with diseases spreading, wide-spread starvation, lack of clean water, shelter and sanitation amid Israel’s ongoing bombardment and devastation.
He lays the blame at the ongoing impunity granted to Israel by the international community and demands a seismic shift in state policy, calling for immediate and harsh sanctions on Israel by all states.
Dr Barghouti calls for Palestinian healthcare workers and journalists alike to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for their services to humanity.
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Dr Mustafa Barghouti is a Palestinian physician, activist, and politician who serves as General Secretary of the Palestinian National Initiative and the President of the Palestinian Medical Relief Society.
Ahmed Alnaouq is a Palestinian journalist from Gaza and co-founder of We Are Not Numbers.
Transcript
Introduction
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so welcome back to Palestine Deep dive my name is Ahmed and today I have a very very special guest Dr mustaf barti Dr
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mustaf baruti is a Palestinian politician who serves as General Secretary of the Palestinian national
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initiative he's also the president of the Palestine medical Relief Society Dr
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mustaf baruti has become very famous here in the West after his many media appearances in which he talk brilliantly
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about the Palestinian cause and about the genocide but maybe a few of us know that he is a physician
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he's a medical doctor and today we're going to talk about the um healthy crisis in Gaza or maybe do I should say
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the medical or health catastrophe in Gaza due to the genocide we are on we are now um on 308 days of genocide and
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the situation is getting even worse especially when when it comes to um
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Health crisis so Dr Mustafa can can we please start by asking you to give us an
“The situation in Gaza is the worst ever man-made humanitarian disaster”
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overview overview of the Public Health crisis in Gaza what is it like now in
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Gaza I think Gaza today first of all thank you Ahmed and thank you for
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hosting me in deep deep dive and I'm glad to be with you again the situation
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in Gaza is simply the worst ever man-made humanitarian
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disaster there are are many humanitarian disasters in this world but none of them
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is like that none of them is such horrible situation that is
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man-made by the Israeli establishment uh we are talking about
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different dimensions of how bad the situation is first of all the huge
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medical emergency resulting from the terrible bombardment of Gaza we are
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talking practically today about at least at least 50,000 Palestinians killed 72%
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of whom are children and women and more than
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92,000 injured people many of whom will simply die because there is no medical
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treatment for them uh in addition to that you have very
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serious results of this impairment that has happened because of Israeli
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bombardment there some the huge number of people who are going to live with
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disability including at least 1,200 maybe 1,300
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children who lost their limbs for the rest of their lives uh but many other
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people who are now handicapped because of the injuries uh that's one side but the
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other side is the destruction of people's homes and shelters Israel has destroyed in my
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opinion no less than 90% of all homes and houses in Gaza uh even the schools that became
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shelters temporary shelters for people who were displaced so many times even
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those shelters were bombarded by Israel I think 80% of all schools that are
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shelters have had have were bombarded one time or another so there is
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destruction of the places where people should live and should stay
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add to that the destruction of infrastructure we're talking about destruction of water pipelines of
destruction of communication networks and destruction of seage systems this this is leading to a
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terrible environmental disaster you have garbage everywhere that nobody can collect because most most Vehicles were
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destroyed you have uh no place to take them to uh
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more than 1.6 million people are now stuck in a very little strip on the on
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at the Sea Side uh between uh between darl balah and uh and the north of Rafa
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and uh total disaster people many many people live in tents that are plastic
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where at during daytime the temperature is around 50 c
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Centigrade horrible conditions and add to that the fact that Israel is
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depriving people not only from food and proper diet they're depriving people
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from clean water which has become one of the main sources of terrible terrible uh
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hygienic situation and a cause of so many epidemics that are spreading now in
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Gaza uh according to Medical relief we have at least 76,000 cases of hepatitis
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infectious hepatitis which is a an epidemy now we have cases of
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menitis we are very very very worried about the possibility of an outbreak of
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potis among children so in my opinion Israel is killing
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people uh with bombardment with air strikes but also it
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is killing people with uh this barbaric uh barbaric biological
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warfare uh because it's a biological warfare actually what they are doing to the people of Gaza one last point before
How Israel is targeting journalists and medical personnel in Gaza
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we move to another question is the level of Destruction you have to remember that
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Israel has used up till now more than 880,000 tons of explosives uh that is about 36 kilogram
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of explosives for every man woman and child in Gaza and the 880,000 tons are
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four times are equal to four times of the explosive power of the each of the
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nuclear heads that were thrown on Hiroshima and nagazaki during the second world war ER terrible terrible situation
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and the outcome also another environmental disaster is that you have 40 million
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tons of uh destroyed buildings of rockage everywhere 40
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million tons yes please as you just said Israel
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dropped all of these bombs in Gaza and Gaza for those people who don't know Gaza is a very small strip of land so it
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destroyed all of the infrastructure in Gaza but even hospitals and even from the beginning of the genocide Israel
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made it very clear that the hospitals in Gaza are targeted they consider hospitals are
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as military Target as military targets and then now we talk about more than 880,000 Palestinian uh injured wounded
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so tell me how are these Palestinians being treated right now amid all of this
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catastrophe when we talk about the um the health infrastructure and the health
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facilities in Gaza how can these Palestinians be treated well first of all uh let's say
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that Israel had two major targets besides civilians of Gaza during this
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terrible Attack One are the journalists because Israel does not want to allow
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information to come out of Gaza according to our information 165
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journalists have been killed so far including many of Al jazer correspondents the last of whom uh alul
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was alul was decapitated by an Israeli air strike with his
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photographer and uh the goal is clear here but the other Target are medical
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personnel more than 320 medical personnel so our doctors nurses
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ambulance drivers were killed by Israel some of them were tortured to death in
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Israeli jails like uh the the the head of Orthopedic Department and the head of
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obstetric Gynecology Department in shifa hospital uh who were arrested they are
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they were young people and healthy and they were tortured to death and then Israel declared that they were that they
“Medical staff and journalists are heroes and deserve the Nobel peace prize!”
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died so in addition to the 320 medical people who were killed there
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are no less than 250 other health professionals who are arrested and are
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in Israeli jails at the moment subjected to terrible conditions what happens is that they are
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trying to deprive people even from access to any kind of Medical Care our
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response has been to coordinate and cooperate with all other health institutions medical relief responded by
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deploying no less than 45 Medical Teams now from the north of Gaza to the
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South uh working everywhere and with these mobile clinics including mobile
“The numbers could easily reach 100,000 people!” – The number of casualties in Gaza
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teams to treat the injured people we are trying to alleviate as much as we can
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the suffering of the people and we cooperate very well with the Ministry of Health but also with other with whatever
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remained of some hospitals like for instance I'll give you an example when the Baptist in Gaza City itself there
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are only two structures remaining now the Baptist hospital and medical relief
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and uh when they attack recently they forc Baptist Hospital doctors and nurses
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to leave to EV evacuate by force and many injured people were left alone
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without any care and we had to send our medical team taking risks to get into
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the hospital while the main Medical Teams were deported to to help the
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injured people and and the teams did that so it's heroic one of our I mean of
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course I have to say that most medical centers were destroyed all hospitals were attacked uh and what remains is
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maybe two three hospitals that are capable of uh partially functioning but
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Main Medical Centers were destroyed our main Medical Center in the city of Gaza was burned completely by Israeli tanks
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three of our clinics were brought down to the to to were leveled to the ground
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uh two rehabilitation center for people disability with disability were also leveled down uh a main Center which was
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providing Aid equipment to Injured people and to the dis people was also
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destroyed and so on and so forth but these our teams there the teams the
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medical teams in general in Gaza regardless of whom they work with they are heroic they are heroes they are the
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real heroes of this this catastrophe and I do believe that they and the
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journalist should receive the Nobel Peace Prize for this for the coming year because nobody can deserve such an honor
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more than these wonderful people of course of course they are hero and since Dr you have a lot of a crew uh and
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Personnel in Gaza that work for your esteemed organization maybe it could help us understand the latest accurate
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statistics because as you know the Lancet which is one of the world's most prestigious journals they recently
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published a a report suggesting that the total fatalities in Gaza could be very
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higher than what is currently indicated can you tell us more about this
What diseases are spreading in Gaza?
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according to your statistics well the official number that we know now is 50,000 people killed this
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number could easily reach 100,000 because there are so many people
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missing the 40,000 that are recorded are the people we know the names of and that
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were that came to hospitals and were then buried 10,000 are missing but the
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number of missing is probably much larger than that for instance 1,500
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buddies were found recently in the vcinity of St man concentration camp in
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the nagab and so many people were field executed by the Israeli Army we have uh
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documentation of cases of people who were arrested and then field executed by the Israeli Army so yes the number could
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reach it 100,000 people killed it's it's very possible we can we cannot verify
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that exact number till after the war and after this after the we have a real
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ceasefire I want also to add that there are a number of people who died because
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of diseases women in while giving birth uh patients with chronic diseases
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that did not have access to Medical Care on time these are also martys and these
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are their blood is on the hands of the Israeli Army and the Israeli government
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because had there been a medical care and treatment they they could have easily
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been saved uh we had to hire recently medical relief had to hire
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75 mid midwives to at least help a little but the 60,000 pregnant women in
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Gaza who need medical care now we receive reports about a huge spread of
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this is an important Point by the way spread of skin infections why because there is no cleaning material I was
“It’s a death sentence for people in Gaza!”
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talking to our teams today and their main complaint today was we don't have
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soap we don't have cleaning material we don't have things to wash the clothes
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with we don't have anything to clean even the tents people are in it's
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horrible it's a total hygienic disaster and that's why you have thous tens of
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thousands of people especially children with severe skin diseases like SC IUS
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impo other infections and even certain types of uh certain types of chicken pox
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and other things and some of them could die because if the skin gets infected
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and you don't have the proper antibiotic to treat them with they will die they
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will get sepsis and die eventually so uh it's it's a horrible hygienic situation
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our guys tell us the most important need now is to have hygienic material of
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course to help to help alleviate this terrible environmental disasters yes and
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I've heard from my friends and relatives in Gaza that people now in Gaza they use
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Mak shift toilets that are among the tents of the people and then the sewage of this it runs through the Alleyways of
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these tents and this cause a lot of pollution a lot of diseases we also heard some reports of polio in Gaza so
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what are other diseases that are spreading now in Gaza we're hearing about diseases that gone long time ago
The mental health situation in Gaza during this genocide
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and now they're returning to Gaza because of the the seage of the pollution of the lack of
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hygiene well infectious hepatitis is one of these epidemics that are spreading now Pootis we are at a risk of having
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polio because polio virus was found in the seage systems in the seage water and
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it could easily become a very serious epidemic I am sure there are now so many
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cases of measles because people do not receive vaccination on time and because
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the whole vaccination system is either paralyzed or partially paralyzed and so
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you are talking about several several diseases that could we could see also more cases of uh of uh uh other
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infections that are usually controlled by by vaccination like peruses which can
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be very dangerous also so uh any disease that usually is controlled by
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vaccination could could appear again we've eliminated potis in Palestine long
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time ago because we had very good system of vaccination and uh uh and now it can
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come back and it can be very dangerous uh so yes uh we are talking
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about many many severe diseases that could now be affecting the people then
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add to that many people with non with chronic diseases or non-communicable diseases like heart diseases we have
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10,000 cases of cancer some of whom we are able to treat because we have the medications for them but there are
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thousands and thousands of people who we don't have facility to treat them they need chemotherapy which is not available
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in Gaza H they need to maybe radiotherapy which is absolutely non
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nonpresent in Gaza Israel did not allow radiotherapy in for the last 20 years
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and so people used to come to a West Bank for treatment or go to Jerusalem or go even abroad that is all paralyzed
“Israel wants chaos” – Israel targeting Palestinian civil society
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because the borders are closed and we cannot take out these P patients with
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cancer to receive the proper treatment but then add to that people who need kidney dialysis we don't have sufficient
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medical uh equipment to provide the mid treatment to people with who need
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medical who need kidney dialysis which means they are doomed to die it's
“It is genocide in EVERY aspect” – How Israel is deliberately causing this health crisis
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like a death sentence to all these patients who cannot receive the proper treatment on time ER we managed to get a
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good amount of medications to the north but now in the South we have very serious shortage we have lack of
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antibiotics we have lack of medications for skin diseases we have lack of medications for cancer and uh it's it's
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very serious situation which could become even worse in the coming days if unless the world
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Community can find a way of pressuring Israel to allow supplies of medications to the people in Gaza and I know you
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know doctor I I know a relative of mine who was um injured during this war since
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the beginning of this war and he needed to do a surgery in his leg and the doctors couldn't do the surgery not
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because they they can't do it but because his U his skin and his flesh can't heal because of malnutrition so
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Mal nutrition is also contributing to worsening these U medical conditions of the Palestinians and it's only getting
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worse and by the way we have spoken about the physical uh health of the Palestinians but we haven't yet spoken
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about the mental health of the Palestinians nearly everyone I talk to from my family from my friends in Gaza
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every single one of them needs mental health support and even the doctors that
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I know the psychiatrists in Gaza who I know they tell me that they themselves
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need mental health let alone the other Palestinians who suffering starvation and bombardment and genocide how can we
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heal these Palestinians even if this war stops well first of all I think people
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are able to survive mainly because of this wonderful community support and Collective
“I blame ALL western governments”
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Community Support where the families are supporting themselves and each other
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where people are supporting each other these Medical Teams play an A Very crucial role in helping the people and
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we hope we can get sufficient resources or donations to maintain them and keep
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them uh they play a very important role but you are right we are talking about
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severe malnutrition that is affecting everybody uh one of my colleagues who is
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Dr basam Zak who runs our medical operation in Gaza tells me he lost 15 to
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16 kilograms of his weight and believe me he he wasn't that fat I
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mean he was really I mean he had normal weight so you can imagine how this
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affects his immunity and that's the doctor who's running the operation so most people have lost weight have lost
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immunity and because of malnutrition uh we don't know what will be the outcome of this I I know that uh
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in the case of Leningrad during Second World War which was put under siege for
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3 00 days 300 yeah 300 days I think or
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actually more uh and uh after the war they found out that 50% of all the
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population had hypertension so the stress is going to have physical and mental effect on
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people uh I think everybody in Gaza is now suffering from post-traumatic disas
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stress disorder that's it's an epidemy and every child is affected by this
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trauma and uh so we try to help with our Medical Teams because each team each of
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the 45 teams have a psychosocial support person and they play a a useful role and
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but of course uh the main the main thing that could stop the deterioration and
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the continuation and more complications psychosocial complications the main thing is to stop the war because you
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also people are stuck very huge number in very small area I don't know what's the size of the area where people are
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now maybe it's no no not bigger than 30 squar miles or so when you talk about
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2.3 million people stuck in this little area it's like everybody is in a Cell in
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a present cell not a present but a present cell and that makes people nervous it creates a lot of social
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problems I know there is a rise of of cases of divorce uh people just don't
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know what to do and of course it's very dangerous and the fact that Israel
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continues to bombard and kill uh any police force in Gaza or anybody who
What obligations does Israel and the international community have towards Palestinians under international law?
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tries to help even in a community- based kind of organization to keep the
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internal security between the People Israel keeps shooting them and killing them because they want chaos they want
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people to fight with each other they want to drag people into a terrible not
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only physical uh crisis but also mental
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crisis so as um a medical professional but also a politician do you think that
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the healthy crisis or the health catastrophe in Gaza is manufactured deliberately by
What the ICJ ruled on Israel and the occupied Palestinians territories
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Israel absolutely I said to you they are conducting physical Warfare physical
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genocide they are conducting bi olcal genocide I would say also they are
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trying to conduct psychosocial and psychological genocide it's genocide at
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every level it's genocide in every aspect what what what is the meaning of
“Israel MUST be sanctioned. They don’t know any other way”
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forcing 1.6 million to to to be dis displaced six or seven or eight times
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what's the purpose if it's not about breaking them and when you don't know where to go when I mean you've seen on
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videos of people in jabalia or in sh or in different other neighborhoods in Gaza
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City or in RAF news people asking where to go they did when they are bombarded
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left and right and seeing their families injured or killed and don't know what to do one of my colleagues
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uh Muhammad abash told me they were in Gaza City and their house was stuck and
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and and besieged in the area besieged by tanks and they didn't know what to do because
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the Army kept bombarding and they lost a couple of children because of the
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bombardment and some were injured as well many were injured and they knew if
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they stay inside the house they will be killed because the Israeli tanks continue to bombard so what did he do he
“The western mainstream media is racist!”
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waited for some tanks to move away and told the family run away there were 16
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people he told them run away if you see one of us one of you shot
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and falls down don't stop just continue and he ran the last behind his family
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but you can imagine the feeling of a mother who told if your son falls falls
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down don't don't stop I mean this is the worst kind of psychological torture that
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people can be subjected to by this Israeli bombardment and one other scene that
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shocked me a lot two other scenes actually that shocked me a lot was a scene of a child who was 5 years old who
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lost both of his hands asking his father father when I grow up will my hands grow
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again and the father was in shock he couldn't say anything I mean so many stories so many
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similar stories about cases like that a a woman
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in shifa hospital area after the Army left and destroyed the hospital
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and there were so many people buried in these Collective uh
“A real journalist is someone who tells the truth!”
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Collective gra Graves and and she was she was the woman was happy she was
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happy because she found the body of her child of her of of her son I mean why
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she was happy it's a horrible thing that she was happy but but she was happy because finally she found her son even
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when he was dead and she could bury him in some sort of dignity with some sort of dignity this is the kind of suffering
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that people have and no justification can be there I mean and I blame not only
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the Israelis I blame all these Western governments that keep teaching us and
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breaching us about human rights and international law and democracy where are they why we don't
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see a single sanction against Israel why would they don't punish Israel why they
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keep talking about the uh Israeli people who were killed although their number is
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much much less than the Palestinians but nevertheless I don't want anybody to be killed why they keep talking about
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Israelis who were killed and they don't mention us why are they treating us in such an
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amount horrible amount of racism aren't we equal human beings
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and why where is this whole teaching about human rights
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and this propaganda about how much they value not only people's lives but
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animals lives we are not even treated as animals it's horrible and that's why I
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see what's happening in Gaza is the worst the worst black spot on the face
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of humanity because it sends a message to the world that we don't have live by
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international law at all and that what we have we don't have any any sort of
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international order it's chaos and this will affect everybody eventually the
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fact that Israel is allowed to continue the genocide the collective punishment
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that the the three war crimes in parallel without being without punishing
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them the level of double standard is just beyond description I think the the
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International Community the West is complicit in these war crimes against the Palestinian people because
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as you just mentioned they did not put any sanction in Israel and the only explanation I see in my mind is that
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they're happy with the scenes of us being killed and murdered otherwise they would have done something at the same
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time icj ruled out recently that the occupation Israeli occupation in Gaza is
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illegal but even under occupation there are obligations for those occupying Powers towards people
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under occupation so can you tell us what are the obligations of the of Israel as
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occupying power uh towards the health of the Palestinians here and are there any
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other obligations for the International Community towards the Palestinian Community as well well first of all we cannot put
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everybody in the same basket I mean Wern governments there are differences between one and another that's for sure
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but unfortunately the big part of them are totally complicit with this anybody
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who gives Israel weapons and continues to give Israel weapons is complicit with
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the war crimes and on top of them is the United States of America and Britain and
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now Germany as well because they keep sending they the M the the chancellor in
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Germany said they will not stop supplying Israel with with with with weapons when they know they are
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committing genocide and the international court of justice has indicated so clearly that
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what is happening in Palestine is genocide the international criminal court has the prosecutor general of the
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international criminal court decided to indict Netanyahu and Galant and ask for
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their arrests for committing war crimes the obligation of
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Israel the first of obligation of Israel is not to kill Palestinians and not to
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kill civilian Palestinians in particular but they do that not only in Gaza but also in the West Bank today they killed
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six in the West Bank yesterday they killed nine and it goes on and in Gaza
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the numbers are Beyond description but also an occupying power has the
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obligation of providing humanitarian support and Medical Aid and food and
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water and electricity and everything to the occupied people and instead of doing that they
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are depriving us from all of that they are even trying to prevent us from
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helping ourselves with our own means when we try to do so so Israel is in
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violation of all of all un resolutions and all un laws and all the the whole
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international human rights uh conventions uh let me let me give you an
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example the most recent decision of the icj was very clear the icj said that the
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Israeli presence in the occupied Palestinian territories including West Bank Gaza and Jerusalem and Gan Heights
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of course is illegal and they have to be they have to leave these areas and the ICA decided
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that forth Geneva Convention applies to the occupied territories and they ruled
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that West Bank as and Jerusalem are not disputed territories are not Jewish territories they are Palestinian
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territories they belong to the Palestinian state to be and and the the
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court also decided that Israel has the obligation of any occupying power to
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provide everything that is needed by the population which they don't do at all not only they don't do on the contrary
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they continue killing the people that and are under their occupation even using military forms like the
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bombardment of tul Karim refugee camp or n Shams refugee camp with air strike
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air strikes on people under occupation and Gaza now is under occupation so
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Israel is violating every law and they will not be deterred unless we see a real and strong and wide campaign of
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sanctions on Israel they have to be sanctioned they have to be boycott they
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don't understand any other way Israel is violating every rule of law they're
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committing the worst of the crimes against the humanity against the Palestinian people genocide most of all
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and we have been talking for nearly half an hour now about the crimes of these Israeli authorities against the
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Palestinian people and you know I happen to run a project called we are not numbers in which we write the stories
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from Gaza and no matter how hard we try to write no matter how many stories we publish it seems that we need an army of
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writers an army of writers to document what's actually happening in Gaza hundreds thousands maybe hundreds of
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thousands of stories that need to be documented and be told and written about but
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unfortunately and maybe you have a lot of experience in that the Western media doesn't reflect this urgency of raising
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awareness of what's happening in Gaza why do you think the Western media is
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neglecting the stories from Gaza they're not giving enough light on
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it well if it wasn't for the social media we would be completely forgotten
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uh what saved us are some very heroic Palestinian journalist and heroic
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Palestinian people who use the social media to bring out the information about
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what's happening and I especially want to praise the Palestinian younger generation especially in the diaspora
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for doing this wonderful work but the mainstream media in the west is
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racist and also it is governed by news media rooms that are controlled
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financially by supporters of Israel you know Mok policy what what what mer so
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why would you be you be surprised about the bias to Israel in Pierce sman or the
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the other shows that he runs uh be the talk show for instance or the talk TV as
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they call it you've seen how what happened on these talks and how racist
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the approach was so I'm not surprised uh
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some of them sometimes put some good stories like CNN from time to time but in general whether you when you talk
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about all mainstream Medias unfortunately there is a very serious bias to Israel and there is fear from
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mentioning the truth because also many of the decent journalists and I am sure
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some of them are really decent are afraid of telling the truth because they are subjected to what I call
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intellectual terrorism by the Israeli lobbies some of them are afraid of
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telling the truth because they are afraid of losing their jobs but also some of them are heroes I think they are
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heroes because they there and some of them lost their jobs but they did what
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they have what their conscious Consciousness what their conscience told them to do which is to tell the truth
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and in my opinion that's the thin line between a real professional objective
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and decent journalist and a functionary who works for money the real line is
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whether they tell the truth when it is time to tell the truth or not well
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you're not surprised with the Western media but I am shocked actually with the Western media because I believe that what's happening in Gaza goes beyond
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politics Beyond intimidation Beyond lose someone losing their
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job real people humans are being slaughtered in Gaza for 9 months now and
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I do not forgive I do not forget them these ssen journalists who are fueling
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the genocide who are giving Israel the cover the justification to commit these
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crimes against us it should be Beyond politics should be it should go beyond
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ethnics ethnicities or religion it's about humanity and these
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journalists I want them to be humans but anyway thank you very very much Dr
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Mustafa it's been a pleasure speaking to you and I hope that your families are
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fine in Gaza and Israel killed
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my and I'm so sorry and I I feel I feel sorry too but thank you for what you are
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doing because you continue the struggle of the Palestinian people we should all do that thank you very much thank you.
